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In other words, moralists here seem less concerned about the effect on the viewer than they are about the ultimate effect on society as a whole - at least, if we're interpreting their language correctly. Today's picture proves burning torture always works. I still intend to seek out the latter for sure, since I'll eventually be able to rent it for cheap. ------------------------- Yik Yakker: I was intrigued by your streaming issue on so I decided to check on it myself.

I've said it a many a time, whipping, racking and raping a gimp makes her scream but fiery torture makes her sing, "I'm a witch" and scream louder too. I'm not sure why you came across the black screen but the movie played fine on my side.

I'd like to find out exactly what is meant by "harm to the viewer" and how this is determined from the targeted content.

Any one who can shed some light on that will have my profound appreciation. S., it is more common to object to content because of its alleged insidious, corrupting influence on individuals, ultimately leading to social consequences (anti-social or illegal behavior) or a more global undermining of community moral standards.

She has exactly that small, slim, tight, athletic body that I like. She was the 'victim' in a clip posted a few weeks ago, where she is kneeling and bent backward over a stout, square post. The physiques of your heroines/victims greatly appeal to me; slim, small-breasted, athletic, with fine muscle definition.

I was, of course, entirely serious about the rest of my post. I too respond powerfully to images of Elise Graves.

Most of the whipping is off-screen anyway in that film, but it's still a really good film, a movie I liked when I was a young tike but really need to explore again since it's been about 20 years since I've seen it.

------------------------- Well, I finally got around to looking at the most recent episode of "Criminal Minds", the one that teased us in the preview with branding torture and BATS.

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The condemnation of one 'perversion' easily leads to the condemnation of all perversions. I'm glad you brought this up because I've been very concerned about what is going on in Britain. At the same time, as you are all aware I'm sure, censorship of one kind or another is "creeping" into U. authoritative structures (private and public) in alarming ways.

Joe Pass and Becky: Looks like we have a couple of newbies here.

Welcome to the board, and we're glad to see you here.

Let the fire at least build up for minute or two before the rescue. I like to picture myself in the place of the victims I see on this site and in films.

Sometimes I even tie myself up when no one is at home.

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